Entrepreneurs naturally have a lot of ideas, and staying on track can be difficult, especially when you’re creating content or preparing for a launch. Today’s episode provides valuable tips from Angel McElhaney from the Control The Chaos Mama podcast to organize all ideas, tackle them intentionally and get through busy seasons like launching when you have your highest energy. Angel discusses helpful tips on starting with the bigger vision and backing up the process into small steps, Facebook group engagement, and repurposing content. There’s a ton of gold in this episode for you!
As a freelancer, virtual assistant, or online business manager, knowing how to batch content and manage launch seasons can increase your service offering as a copywriter or content marketing freelancer.
More About Angel McElhaney
Angel McElhaney helps multipassionates, creative rebels, and ADHD entrepreneurs embrace the authority that has always been theirs with podcast strategy and coaching. Angel creates clarity, confidence, and consistency for her clients so they can finally stop restarting from scratch and learn to trust their intuition.
She’s also a mom of four, motherless daughter, and wife to a TN vols obsessed hubby. When she’s not helping amazing women make meaning of their hard stuff with podcasting, she can be found dreaming about her next vacation, empowering women to love the skin they are in with boudoir photography or making up random songs in the kitchen.
Thank you Angel for being here today. I'm really excited to get into this conversation. Um, we had some, some great conversation before we started recording. Uh, and I think you and I have some really great compliments to one another for what our strengths are, which was kind of interesting to hear. You're more of a visionary, I'm more of a logistics and tactical person. Um, so that was kind of fun to have that conversation. So I want my audience to kind of get to know you, um, and a little bit about what we talked about earlier. So first I'd like to just have you introduce yourself, tell us who you are and who your business serves.
Hi, my name is Angel McElhaney. I am the host of Control The Chaos, Mama podcast. We really do life and lawn strategy over there for ADHD entrepreneurs, creative rebels, really anyone that's feeling overwhelmed. There is this self discovery piece of owning who you are and not really conforming to what the, you know, the world around us. A lot of my community are, um, late diagnosed ADHD entrepreneurs, or they don't know, they've kind of been told, oh, you're just a busy mom. Or, you know, like that's just how it is kind of thing. And they're starting to realize with all the self-awareness, um, for ADHD. And so I feel like it just kind of left some self discovery piece for them to figure out really how they were made and how they are.
Okay. Awesome. And so I know one of the things that you do is you help women control the chaos, uh, as it relates to organizing our businesses, despite the chaos that we have in our world, what tips do you have that can help us do that?
Yeah, so I am very multi-passionate so there are so many, um, you know, what they say, um, irons in the fire. And so there, I have been very resistant to this idea of niching and to feeling like I have to fit into this same box. Like people use that analogy sometimes where they try to think of the perfect day and the perfect, like reliving that same day, every day sounds really boring to me. And so, um, this podcasting has really helped me to kind of be myself. And so that's been really amazing, but also doing this work, like how you said with, um, finding out that, oh, you are a visionary and so you might need to hire or, or outsource, um, um, integrators and the doers, or like how you said the tacticals to support that you don't have to do it all alone. And that really it's this combination or, um, really it's, it's building, it's finding out what, who you are and what you're great at and not having to do at all, like angel, just because you can, and you're good at these things, like doesn't mean you have to do them.
Yeah. And you mentioned that you're somebody who, who has a ton of ideas. Um, and I know when you, and I kind of started talking about this, you mentioned that you had to learn that out of the ideas that you have, there was certain things that really energized you, and then there were certain things that depleted you. And I thought that was really interesting, the way that you kind of started to talk about that, because one of the things you and I talked about was how copy isn't necessarily something really energizes you. Like, you know how to do it, you do your own copy, you understand your avatar really well. And you know exactly what she's thinking in her mind, but it necessarily, it isn't necessarily thing that like you love, like I do, you're more of like the ideas and the visionary. Like how did you figure that out with what are the things that really energize you versus deplete you, and maybe give yourself permission to really explore the things that you wanted to spend your time on versus the things that you didn't.
So I started paying attention a lot with my energy. And so I started looking into cycles thinking, engaging my expectations based on that and cycle. Sinkings basically, I'm looking at our 28 day cycle and where our energy, because of hormones as women like influxes and flows, and sometimes we'll have all this energy and sometimes we won't have any, sometimes we want to be, be front and center in the world and take on those harder tasks that take up more energy. But other times we're just not and learning that that's okay that like, oh, you're not just lazy because you didn't show up to the same day every day, you know, the same way every day, but kind of note noticing that and building that self-awareness. But then the second piece of that is also, like you said, just kind of learning about where my strengths are.
And I think that that has been through learning about the visionary versus the integrator role. And so a lot of us value the doing more than the, the being, but learning about that has really helped me because your ideas matter. And there's these two main people that, um, really surged through with business and that is the visionary and the integrator. And so, um, but I did learn, I think it was actually from not doing it. So I noticed that I was waiting till last minute to complete those tasks that were really, I was making a bigger in my head. And so, um, as far as me, I also do photography. I have been a photographer for about 12 years, but until about two years ago, I didn't have anything that was not also showing show social media. So basically my entire business was online. And so I utilized, I learned a lot about social media and engagement in the algorithm and how to boost posts and how to get more eyes on my stuff.
But also I wasn't owning that. Like I was basically putting all my eggs into this rent basket instead of having my own thing. So I actually, I mean, I dabbled in website stuff, but because I have this creative, creative aesthetic side, like as a photographer and creative, like I didn't like it. And so I would just kind of scrap it or I wouldn't update it or I wouldn't follow through on it. So it really wasn't until probably two years ago. And I almost had to make it build up so big. And, um, and but now I do, I do, but I would say that I probably wait very last minute to do it. Or, um, I'm almost self-sabotage I think in some way it is self-sabotage because it's not as big as it is in our head, but it, we definitely make it grow into this beast, which sometimes copy is a beast.
Well, that's true as well. Very good. Well, let's go back to the entrepreneur who has so many ideas, how do we organize those? What tips do you have for women who have a ton of ideas and really just need help understanding what ideas to pursue and is it even possible to pursue more than one at a time?
So I work with big picture strategy first. And so a lot of times that is for me, verbal processing. So I'll use apps like cocoon Weaver, which you can leave verbally and I'll even transcribe your stuff. Um, I will do that with colleagues with boxer a lot of times, and you can star those and save those for later too. But verbally processing is a huge tip. I think, for anyone who can easily get overwhelmed with all the ideas. And then I think also, um, outsourcing to some integrators because realizing that, okay, I don't have to have these, all of these pieces just because someone said I do, but if I do want to have them, am I either one we'll probably wait till the last minute and then will it be the quality of what I want to do? Or number two, I will probably, um, just not finish it or not do it.
So I actually saw a meme recently and it was like, so speaking to me, it was, um, as an ADHD entrepreneur, um, it showed a box and it was point tell everyone your ideas, you know, have great ideas, tell everyone your ideas. And then basically it never got finished. Like the box never finished because once we told them it was like, we did them, it was like, the ideas were out and we made it almost big into this overwhelming like ball. And then it was like, but the how to, so first that big picture strategy and then working backwards. I also use a lot of apps that are like click up or Trello to kind of get it all out. I feel like that's the first step and then prioritize, like, what are the things that I have to do the most? And it has been a lot of, um, I feel like soul searching and figuring out like how big copy is because I have felt a lot better once I have nailed down like exactly who it is that I want to help because as a multi-passionate, we are very anti niche and that's a very, um, or sometimes, but, um, that's very true to my story.
So it's kind of like going back to you and, and a lot of, um, what I found is the vulnerability that comes out in that people are very resistant to. So probably pushing past that too, because a lot of it's your story that you are bringing yourself back to that place where your hard stuff was, and that can be uncomfortable. You know what I mean? So I'm kind of going back to a hard place and remembering why you were there and what you did and what were the things in your way so that you can move them out of the way for that person. And so I think self-awareness probably that, that you either don't enjoy doing those or they're going to deplete your battery. So as a visionary, I can to ideas all day long, I do them for free and groups. I've noticed like, oh, someone asked for an idea, but you know what? I don't want to type it. I want to talk. So let me just message you and send you a voice message or something like that. But the integrator side, sometimes it's like, those are the things I have to be really paying attention to energy because they do drain me. And so either I will do them in a higher energy phase. Like I mentioned, with the cycles thinking with our population or follicular, or I will outsource them now.
Okay, perfect. So one of the things I know that you've really started to create some cool processes around is content batching. Um, a lot of my entrepreneurs create their own content or they're creating content for entrepreneurs that they're freelancing for. So content today is the modern business foundation that a lot of us online are working from it's content is king. So what can we do to make this process easier and create a system that feels less overwhelming to keep up with content?
So I, I definitely recommend repurposing content. I think it can make it to where the return on your invest time investment is a lot bigger. So it will make you, for me, it gives that fuel. So if I know that the thing that I need to do is maybe on this side that that's, you know, it will deplete me as on the integrator side, but if I know that I'm repurposing it and reusing it, then that's going to help it grow. One example is, cause I'm all about podcasting because you can take the pieces from it. And you can, I think I even have an episode that's like 12 pieces of content from one episode. Like you can repurpose so much of it and I'm sure that's the same also in websites and in certain content with videos and just all the things. But if you can find the spot where you can repurpose it, then it, it really, it makes that pay off bigger.
But, um, and one example, like I'm not big on Instagram. Like it's one of the last places I show up. I do do stories a little bit, but I just went and did four, um, reels, like one for a succession of like four days. And the growth raised from nothing to 323,000 reach or something like that. And so that return, because if you have the return, then you're more likely to do it. So I think put yourself out there, repurpose the content, but make sure you're putting yourself out there so that you can have the return. Like that is a dopamine hit for me, you know, like, oh, well it's working, but the problem is, is what about when you're putting the content out and you don't have that way that people can like comment back or like have that dialogue. So I would say provide it. So, um, for sure. So probably repurposed content is probably the biggest part.
Yeah, absolutely. Well, um, content repurposing is like, it sounds good, right? Like it's this buzzword, I think that people have started to talk about, um, doing it can be another entirely different thing. And I know for me, like I've, I've started to get a little bit better at it. Um, but I'm still working on it. And like, remembering that when I record the content, I can also record a reel for that day or a story for that day. Or, you know, take a picture to post up like, Hey, new episode. Or like it's thinking through some of those things that when it's fresh in my mind and I just recorded a, I'm trying to do better about remembering like all of the things I can set up at the same time, because if I do it two weeks later, when the episode actually goes live, it's harder to remember.
Yeah. It's the power of momentum. It's like, once you get the ball rolling, you're more likely to do it. But a lot of people will have the resistance between hitting the record button. They want to like prep and all that way before. And, um, I mean, I think that that's another thing where you can look at your cycle because, um, I know I already mentioned an ovulation. You're more like front of camera. Like you feel more magnetised honestly like people will be more attracted to what you're saying. You, you don't, um, really you have the highest energy then. So during that time I would batch create, I would do your offers, your podcast pitch right now. I'm in ovulation. And that's why we're doing this podcast interview. Cause it's like very intention around energy. And, um, you can also do that in follicular. Follicular is actually normally when I batch from my context, I'm still having to show up at a high level, but in ovulation that's a lot of, if I can, I mean, life happens and sometimes you can't, but then I'll try to do my podcast interviews during ovulation. That's the shortest of the, of course we only get like four days of really great energy though. Right. Um,
And then a lot
Easier in four days. I know luteal is also, um, in there. And then that's where it's about two weeks long, but the first week of that you are, have pretty good energy and you're knocking off the, to do's. So honestly, a lot of that stuff that I'm like dreading to do, I'll knock off that. I mean, that could be anything from finally returning the package and sitting over there for two weeks or, um, writing, you know, updating my website or finally doing it. There's this idea of, I feel like resisting the start or initiating the task, but once I'm in it, I can keep going. But I think give yourself some grace and have some good, better work, best workflows. And just do like get started because the power of getting started is huge. I mean, you could tell yourself, I believe it's called the Hercules roll or something like that, where you do like the two minute role where I'm only going to make myself do this for two minutes and you set a timer and then you're already in the flow of it. So then you do it, you know, it's, it's just getting started or the power of momentum. So
Yeah, absolutely. I almost find myself sometimes when I know I've got a task that is going to take a little bit of time. If I don't have a whole lot of time right now, it's actually hard for me to start it because I know I'm going to have a harder time coming back to it and getting back into that flow. And you and I could have talked a little bit about that when we got started. It's like, when you're working on something, you almost just want to keep going until it's done. Because when you are in that flow, it's easier to stay in there in my opinion than to leave it and then find that flow again a few days later.
Yeah. I'm definitely a marathoner or a sprinter when it comes to like, just getting done. I mentioned before the show that I, how I did my website and it was pretty robust website and five days with two nights of staying up till 5:00 AM, because there's this idea of like, if I stop, I'm not going to come back to this because you know, there is the whole idea. I gotta remember passwords to let's stop and not to mention like you're in the flow. So, um, I mean, I call it hyper-focused, but really it could be carving out a larger chunk so that you can know that you can do intentional time, but maybe plan it for when you are in the higher energy phases, just to help support that. Um, a little better.
Awesome. Yeah. It's honestly something I've never even thought about really to do that during that higher energy phase, I've never, it's never even occurred to me.
Yeah. And if any of your listeners are curious about this, I do have a couple episodes on my podcast, but also you can download the, my flow app. I think it's a dollar 99, or it might be free, but, um, it'll show you the different phases it'll even suggest like different foods to eat or exercise to do. But I think what, at the end of the day, it's giving yourself grace because you don't have to show up to the same day the same way. And I think that there's this idea, especially with like, I even have an episode on time blocking all these things and all these systems, but it's like, we are allowed to just stop and see like, do I, how do I feel like, do I have the energy to do this? And then when you don't having that, that awareness to be able to say, you know what, I think that I just need to get this done and off my plate so that I can do the rest of the stuff. And so I should probably call you for that.
Please do we can compliment each other. Well, well, I noticed one of the topics that you've touched on in the past is about women who deal with feeling like they just aren't expert enough. I think this mentality can often be what holds us back as entrepreneurs from creating content, because we feel like we don't have the expertise. And so we're a little bit shy about what content we may have ideas to create. So I want to talk to you about how do we get beyond this, because I think this is something that you've dealt with in the past.
Yeah. I think that podcasting helps you me, honestly. Cause if you think about it, if you go live or if you do some one piece of content out there, people aren't necessarily seeing like your whole book. And so I think it's really helpful for people to see all these episodes of your journey. And, um, I think it helps you to establish or own your, your authority. I also think people don't give themselves credit for life experiences. I think that a lot of people will wait until they have a piece of paper that says like, you're good enough. Instead of realizing like, whoa, I went through this and this and this and I got to the other side of it, like, let that be enough to just start. And so I think part of it's owning it. There is this era of act as if you're there.
I used to say fake it till you make it. But act as if does sound a little better, I'm not gonna lie, but like act as if you are where you want to be like in the vision, because the thing is, is it's just giving ourselves credit and we're so hard on ourselves. I mean, the world turned on us where it's like, um, a mindset shift of noticing our strengths versus where we are in lack and, um, letting her be enough to start. And I actually think it's good if you remember, if it's close enough to where you have, or having a little bit of confidence block to do the thing, it's probably good because you do remember exactly where you work because it wasn't that long ago. And that's where you resonate most with your client anyway, because you're, you're just far ahead to where they're like, okay, I can reach her.
I can, you know, she can pull me along versus someone who's miles and miles ahead. And so I think just letting yourself have some grace and realizing that, that just starting, I feel like this whole podcast, we're saying power moment to initiate outsource just to get the thing done. Because at the end of the day, it is just taking the next right step. It's like, what do I want? It's my frameworks basically. Like, who are you? What do you want what's in your way or sabotaging you and what are the steps to get it? Which a lot of times it's habit. But, um, and one of the biggest things probably self-talk like, we just are hard on ourselves. And so I think when it comes to copy and messaging and stuff, we don't necessarily tie it to a person. So that could probably be helpful too. It's like, people need what we have. So let's just get it out there and we can fine tune it. It's not like a tattoo we can change it, you know? And so I think that's pretty helpful too.
Well, one thing I thought was interesting, um, that just came into my mind the other day when I was kind of dealing with some of this myself was who are we waiting on? Who are we waiting on to tell us that this or that is good enough for that, that we now have enough experience to do that thing, whatever that thing is. And if that person came to you and said, okay, now you have enough experience. Would you believe them? Or then would you go to this? Like, oh, well they don't really know me, right. At any moment, somebody is going to know that I don't have enough experience to do something. And so I don't think that it is somebody else or some external thing that can do that for us. I think it has to be us finally claiming that I'm doing this, I'm doing the work. I may not be 20 steps ahead yet, but I'm three steps ahead of where I was two weeks ago and that still counts for something that's progress. And I think you're right. I don't think we give ourselves enough credit for that. I know I don't, I'm in this boat too. I think a lot of women are, we struggle with it.
Yeah. It's putting your blinders on basically. And being you verse you, instead of looking at everyone else, because there's so much noise around us and so many people, and we're, they're only showing their highlight reels. I mean, so it's kind of like, that's not going to work very well. So it's like giving ourselves that, um, discernment to realize that we're meant to grow. You're not meant to just be arrived. Like it's literally, you, you should never feel like you arrived because then people, you know, you're, you've stopped learning. So, um, I actually have a quote on my, um, fridge that was in my mom's handwriting. She passed away. And, um, when she was just 48, but I found all these words, you know, the handwritten words are very rare. Now. I feel like it's true and I've found it. And it said, God loves you just the way you are, but he loves you too much to let you stay there. And it's like, you can love and accept like all the pieces of you right now and just know that you're still learning and you're still growing. And, um, you know, the SA the thing I did today or created today is better than what I did last time, or, you know what I mean? And let it be enough. It's like just the process. Yeah,
Absolutely. I love that very wise words. Well, let's shift gears for a minute to Facebook group engagement. Um, because I know that this is another specialty of yours. Uh, how does, how does this relate to content? Like how can we have Facebook group that actually has engagement and still maybe work in the content we're already creating? How do those things work together?
So in the good, better, best workflows that I had mentioned before, um, if I had to pick like a best workflow, one of the pieces of that would have pieces that are public. So people can find you, you know, that aren't already in your audience, but also that intimacy or privacy that comes with the Facebook group. So I would probably pick a podcast episode that you might want to do. Um, if this is for someone who's podcasting, I always say podcasting, but it could be a Facebook live or something like that, but try to do the return on investment by double duty. Right? Do not think that's a word double duty. I don't know. But, um, so let's say that you make an event. So you play in your content based on your cycle sync, and you're looking and you're like, okay, I'm going to batch and follicular, and I'm going to do maybe one of those episodes, cause my energy is going to be high.
And I know I've got something in the future that I'm wanting to promote. So maybe you make an event on your Facebook page cause that's public. And that's where you could, you could technically click the live button and record an episode. The people on your podcast could come in to your Facebook and the people on Facebook could come to your podcast. And then, um, of course you could share that into the group, but even better would be say that whatever that content is, if you go into the group and have a next level of, um, really communication with your, your group. So let them have a dialogue. So maybe ask a Q and a or a next step. So that would be pretty big. And then, um, as far as engagement though, um, it's connection, it's nurturing the people already at your table and engagement.
A lot of people want the numbers of engagement and all these people in their group, but they're not wanting to spend a lot of time on Facebook and they're not wanting to engage with people like people want to feel seen, heard, and all that. And so instead of thinking about all the other people who are not in your group or not, um, in your challenge or answering, you know, your, your ad or whatever, it is just focus on the people who are at the table. If it's like, it's a picnic table. Like it's almost as if there's people literally sitting across from you at the table. And you're like looking at your watch and looking at the door, waiting for people to come in. And it's like, that's not gonna make people feel good and they're probably going to leave. So, but I think, well, yeah, and, um, engagement is probably them talking together to each other. And so that's why so many people, um, acknowledge that like, okay, you got them to the table, but now what? So if you talk to them cool, but if they can become friends, they're more likely to stay there, you know? Cause then you've made, I feel like you made a, you know, a group, you know? Yeah. Maybe they'll tell you her. I don't know.
Very good tips. Well, angel, you're also a launch strategist. So how does planning and batching our content play into what we're launching in our business?
So I think it gives us a plan. I think it helps us to simplify. And so it can feed into it. I think a lot of times we think I'm multi-passionate or I have all these things I want to promote, so I'm going to promote them all. And it's kind of showing up with consistency and seeing the same thing in a different way, you know? And so, so when you're showing up, if you can know who it is, that you're what you're rebelling against, like what you don't want people to do. And then what change you want to make, you can kind of almost figure out these few phrases or words that you can come back to that will attract that person. For me, mine's control the chaos because you know, I have kids two to 17 I've, you know, like multiple businesses, like all the things. And so, um, it's kind of that, that, that piece of, um, finding out what that phrase is, I guess, for you and showing up and sitting and not feeling like you have to think of the brand new thing. It's not even like, um, following the trends cause that's looking at other people, but, um, finding out exactly what she needs and then offering content that is, um, where she could click save or actually help her. Not just some trend where, you know, you're dancing, I'm not dancing. Okay.
Me either me either. I'm just, that's just not, it's just not a boat I'm willing to get on there.
I mean, I might, I'm not gonna rule it out, but because I'll probably dance now, I'm going to be like angel. He said,
I thought you said no. Well, um, is launching the lunch phase, always necessary. Like this is something I think a lot of people out there who have an evergreen product launching has become something we're seeing a lot of people do online. If you have something that's evergreen, do you need to have seasons of launching or multiple times a year or can it be once a year or can you just put it on evergreen and talk about it on, on your podcast, if you have a podcast or is launching actually necessary.
So I recommend that you still do launching, I think that it's also a way for you to intentionally serve. So I just did a five day challenge in my group. And so, and I did launch my podcast school rebellion, you know, after, but it's like that wasn't even it, even if you take that away, I literally could have just done that and showed up for my group. You know, I mean, it was only five lives and I talked about little pieces of serving them. And so I think it makes us intentionally show up. And I think it also makes us have energy towards it, because like I said, if I had to show up the same day, the same way and um, and it gets, I think you can get creative for the way that you're going to show up. So maybe you normally, do you talk about it on your podcast?
Well then maybe you decide like, okay, I'm going to do a five day challenge or maybe you decide that you want to do some, um, big virtual summit or something like that. Like I think it, it makes it novel, new and exciting, which I think my brain needs, but, um, I mean, you don't necessarily have to, but I think it's something that I think you should serve in a big way every so often, like that in the way of, of something special, you know, like whether that's extra episodes or some sort of, um, small win that you can give for the people who are, um, not yet there, or they don't feel like they're there to do the, the paid product or whatever that is to get their confidence up. So I think it just depends on where they are and um, I think, I think it's service. So if you can serve without selling, that's fine too, but it's like, it does lend itself to that. Like they want to work with you after that. So might as well do the offer there too.
Yes, absolutely. Well, do you have any hacks for making that launch phase more productive to stay on track during such a busy time? And I'm some of what you know about cycles thinking may also work in to that I'm guessing as well as do you kind of work that in as well.
So I'm not organized. So mine is done versus is better than perfect. It is energy and showing up and it is, um, it's figuring out what is the base, the, the basis, non-negotiables the good list. And then okay. If I feel like it, or if I can outsource it or, you know, if I budget my time correctly, then I can do it more. But I think that just knowing that, um, that's okay to not do it perfect. And too, it can be a small launch. Like it could just be, um, you coming in and serving, it could be a webinar. It could be. Um, but my focus is the podcast. Like I get really excited when I'm helping people redo or, um, hone in on their podcasts because then honestly it probably saved me from changing my business 900 times because I need new and novel and exciting. And I feed off the energy of feeling like I'm doing it with someone else because I mean, we are solopreneurs and, you know, we might've helped for here and there, but it's kind of like, otherwise that just, it's not that team part that I'm missing. So, um, I liked that part. And so, so that's really why I focus on that. Um, and I obviously liked to talk,
That's why your podcast, or we do have that in common as well. So, well, Angel, that's been really helpful. I want my audience to understand where they can learn more about you, where they can get to know you a little bit better, where can they find your podcast? All of things.
Yeah. So, um, you can find me mostly on my podcast control the chaos mama. And, um, I'm also on Instagram. Um, you can find me under my name as well as which is angel.McElhaney or control the chaos mama podcast, which has really no content and, um, podcast school for squirrels. And that mostly is for people who are ADHD entrepreneurs, or they're interested in learning some podcasting tips, um, and how to keep it simple. And so there is this idea of being a rebel that I think is really nice, which is just do it your own way, you know, like figure out what you want and what are some steps that you want to get to it and then, and kind of taking those steps. So it's been really fun to kind of focus on podcast strategy and helping people work through those, that vision. So, and there's the energy of their launch. You know, I like, I've been known to be called like a hype girl or something like that, encouragement, like I show up for people and that plays into social media for sure as well with engagement, but, um, that's mostly where you can find me. Um, and I do have a free Facebook challenge called the plan, your podcast rebellion that I do from time to time, which has helped people to just get started. Cause I think that's the magic it's just start so,
So true. You can spend a whole lot of time thinking about things and overthinking about things and over-analyzing, and sometimes, uh, just getting started. Um, I did a Facebook live today and an Instagram live today and I'll, I'll just be honest. That's the first time I've done either one of those things. Um, my audience knows social media is like my Achilles heel. Um, I'm not on the platforms much. I didn't even know that Facebook and Instagram were down yesterday. Um, I have to like put a reminder to actually sign in and post the stuff I need to post for my business.
Well, that is amazing. We really are yin and yang.
Like once I actually did that today, I was like, okay, well that, wasn't so hard. But you know, the only reason I did it is because I'm in a challenge that actually I needed to do it because truthfully there's prices, if you do it. So there's that. Um, but now that I did it, I'm like, okay, that wasn't really that bad. So thank you so much angel for being on the show. I really appreciate, um, all of the advice and the tips that you gave. Um, I will link everything in the show notes so that my audience can go find you and support your podcast as well.
Thank you so much for having me.
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